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Exhibition Preview: “Still I Rise: The Black Experience at Reynolda”
Director of Library and Archives Bari Helms shares a virtual sneak peek of the 2022 exhibition, Still I Rise: The Black Experience at Reynolda. Opening February 22, the exhibition will examine the lives of the Black men and women, including nationally recognized artists, who shaped Reynolda as it evolved from a Jim Crow-era working estate into a nonprofit American art museum, incorporated in 1967.
oh
so good afternoon everyone
i’m allison perkins executive director
at reynolda house and i’m delighted to
welcome all of you
so although
still i rise the black experience at
reynolda
exhibition does not open until 2022
we were very much inspired by the
bookmarks book with purpose initiative
that we designed this preview so if you
aren’t familiar with books with purpose
i’ll just briefly explain that it’s a
community-wide anti-racism initiative
grounded in american literature and
shared dialogue
and i want to give a special thanks to
bookmark for making this education
educational partnership a reality for
our community
so give me great pleasure and an honor
to introduce today’s presenter barry
helms barry is director of archives and
the library at reynolda
she earned her ba in history from duke
university
and a masters in library and information
science from unc chapel hill
so prior to her 2014 arrival at reynolda
she was a local records archivist at the
library of virginia in richmond
and at reynolda berry has helped develop
the reynolda revealed app which i hope
many of you have downloaded
and she’s curated exhibitions including
catherine smith reynolds johnston
a self in the remaking
i really like that
a very popular archival exhibition still
i rise the black experience at reynolda
is grounded in primary resources
including correspondence and oral
histories
more than reynolda as a private family
home today’s talk will explore
the site’s history as an american art
museum and one chapter in the museum’s
history that i’m particularly interested
in learning more about
is the contributions of visiting artists
to the museum so without further ado i
bring you barry helms barry thanks so
much for your
many contributions to reynolda and for
the research that you’re embarking on
for this really special exhibition and
thanks again to bookmarks and everyone
in our audience for joining us very
thank you
thank you allison and thank you everyone
for joining me today for a preview of
the next archival exhibit
um still i rise the black experience
will open next year and it will examine
the many ways that black men and women
have intersected with ronaldo from the
tobacco plantation where r.j reynolds
grew up
through ronaldo as a working estate and
family home during the jim crow era
through the civil rights era until
renata became a public institution
dedicated to the arts
um that is a vast story to parse down
for a preview talk today
i struggled with how to organize this so
that you’re getting
as close to a full experience of the
exhibit as possible
i decided to approach this from the
perspective of the museum era and so
today i’m going to talk about the events
and programs that were happening that
shaped the evolution of the museum and
what projects were happening that helped
us know what we know about reynaldo’s
past
um i created a timeline of the events
and projects that inform this exhibit
and particularly this talk today
and so we’re going to be talking about
what was happening at the museum
particularly in the 70s and 80s and we
will sort of hop from topic to topic so
it’ll be a little bumpy ride but just
stick with it
um so this way you’re going to get the
highlights of some of these significant
moments in the exhibition
so renault open to the public as an
institution dedicated to the arts and
education in 1965
and then as an art museum in 1967
but i’m going to start today in 1970
so 1970 was the year that the museum
named its first executive director
nicholas b bragg he had been at
old salem and he was hired to really
start the education program at rinalda
and that education program was what
ronaldo was known for for a number of
years even when renata first got
accredited by the american association
of museums in 1972 they noted that
renaldo didn’t really operate like a
traditional museum at the time but they
had an incredibly strong educational
program in place
but why i want to talk about 1970 is
the opening of the reynolds homestead in
kreitz virginia that seems like
yes barry this is amber albert sorry to
interrupt um we’ve had quite a few
people um have trouble with the link it
is going to the calendar instead of the
uh webinar so i have resent
uh
the link to everyone and just want to
see um
give it just a couple minutes for folks
to catch up
okay if you if you’re comfortable doing
that sure
yes see we’ve already sort of doubled
our attendance so just maybe two more
minutes
sure
and i apologize everyone i’m not sure
how that
transpired
okay i’ll just back this up a little bit
all right
all right so i will go ahead and um
restart a little bit for folks who are
just now joining us
um so
today to preview this exhibition still i
rise i’m going to focus in on events and
programs that
um
informed how the museum evolved and also
the projects that were happening that
helped us learn what we know about
ronaldo’s past
so renaldo opened as a
institution opened to the public as an
institution dedicated to the arts and
education in 1965 and then as an art
museum in 1967 but i’m going to start
today in 1970
uh 1970 was the year that the museum
named its first executive director
nicholas b bragg
he had been at old salem and he was
hired to really start the education
program at rinalda and
ronaldo was known for a number of years
for the strength of its educational
programming
but what happened in 1970 that i really
want to talk about
is um
the opening of the reynolds homestead in
christ virginia which seems like a
strange place to start
um but the reynolds homestead was
actually rock spring plantation where rj
was born and where he grew up
it had stayed in family hands and then
nancy reynolds rj and catherine’s
younger daughter acquired it and she was
like what do i do with this now
she ended up deeding the house and
surrounding acres to virginia tech and
it was and still is used as a community
engagement center and a forestry
research center
where it connects to ronaldo
is that
nancy had developed a relationship with
nick bragg
through renaldo and she turned to him
for advice in turning the property into
a museum and for a few years renata
staff actually ran the educational
programs at the reynolds homestead
but what’s relevant to this exhibition
is that while they were renovating the
home they found a box of documents that
had belonged to rj’s father hardin
william reynolds
this box is still on display at the
museum and you can it’s not a great
picture but um you can see in the box
there’s this fabric
filing system that he used to organize
his papers but all the documents
actually came to ronaldo and our inner
archives today
and those papers really helped fill out
rj’s history and the truth of what his
background and early years were really
like
so during his lifetime rj reynolds
really relied heavily himself on this
myth that he was a self-made man who
came from almost nothing to become this
industrial titan and tobacco
and his legacy today sometimes still
depends on that myth making
even the choice to name the museum of
christ the reynolds homestead instead of
what it was known during rj’s time which
was rock spring plantation
as to the idea that rj came from humble
beginnings it’s just interesting that
even in 1970 they knew that the term
homestead had different connotations
than plantation
unlike
other farmers in the region rj’s father
recognized that manufacturing tobacco
was more lucrative than growing the leaf
alone by the time rj was born in 1850
the tobacco factory was harden’s primary
source of income
rj grew up as a boy and young man
working the floor of his father’s
tobacco factory he learned the mechanics
of the factory the value of one
flavoring over another the factors that
led to the fluctuations of tobacco
prices and how to select the choices
leaf
in later life rj would use the story of
working as a hand in his father’s
factory to ingratiate himself with his
own workers and while that story was
technically true
he did so as the slaveholder’s son
so hardened reynolds was one of the
largest slave holders in his area of
virginia
by the time of the civil war he owned
more than 60 enslaved persons
i mentioned that the reynolds homestead
still operating as a museum and in
recent years they have done tremendous
research in documenting the history of
enslaved people on the property and
documenting the
slave graveyard that is that is still
there
but as part of hardin’s papers that came
to rinalda there are several bills of
sale for enslaved people the example i
have up here today on the left
is one for the hiring out of a man named
frank for the year 1860.
hardin’s tobacco plantation survived the
civil war and transitioned to using
black tenant labor or sharecroppers
hardin paid very little he drew up harsh
contracts and would often not fulfill
his agreement
in one instance during reconstruction
the freedman’s bureau stepped in to
advocate on behalf of a woman who
claimed that harden did not pay her and
also threatened to drive her from the
property
and there are other instances in the
late 1860s where tenant farmers were
suing hardened to receive what they or
their families were owed for their work
so rj grew up in the slave holding
economy and later sharecropping and it’s
interesting to think about how that
influenced how rj treated his own
workers
we certainly see the idea of
fraternalism play out and how rj
consistently gave small amounts of money
to social institutions reform
associations hospitals schools and
churches particularly those in the black
community
his strategy certainly suggests that he
understood how industries could function
as social institutions
rj’s giving was local and peace meal but
it proved to be a strategic way to
foster a social stability that would
help stabilize his workforce and prevent
workers from heading north to find
better paying jobs and his strategy
worked we don’t see a serious attempt by
tobacco workers to to unionize until
1919 which was the year after rj’s death
so we’re going to
switch gears a little and skip to 1972
and 1973.
in 1972 is when ronaldo received its
first accreditation from the american
association of museums there was a black
art seminar and exhibit in 1973 ronaldo
received its first painting by a black
artist and maya angelou made her first
of many visits to ronaldo
so in
1972 then executive director nicholas
bragg received a phone call from a
museum goer asking how
ronaldo could presume to present
american art when there were no black
artists represented in the collection
so out of that conversation
came a seminar on black art and and an
exhibition of paintings
so at the seminar participants discussed
the challenges of being black and an
artist how that affected their work
the struggle to make a living as an
artist and they even grappled with you
know what was black art how did they
define that
um
this was the first of several instances
where black artists came together at
ronaldo to discuss their work even 10
years from this point we will see the
same topics being discussed by artists
how does being black affect your art
there’s this constant theme of the
pressures they felt to represent in a
community and to have their art speak
not only for themselves but for the
black community as a whole here muralist
eugene wade said i no longer attempt to
represent all black artists and doing
what is significant to me
so nick brad gave an interview about the
black art seminar and at the end of the
end of the interview he spoke about
being excited that the event prompted
the first gift of a work by a black
artist to be added to ronaldo’s
permanent collection
in the interview he actually named jacob
lawrence’s builders number two as the
work that was coming to ronaldo but it
would actually be a few years before
that piece was added to the collection
horace pippen’s 1941 work the whipping
was actually the first acquisition by an
african-american artist and it is still
the earliest work in the collection by a
black artist
it was a gift to the museum by lee alt a
major figure in the new york art world
he gave the painting to the museum after
barbara babcock milhouse the museum’s
first president had admired the painting
in his apartment
the whipping is a small piece that
addresses racial injustice in 19th and
20th 20th century america
horace pippen served during world war
one and sustained an injury to his right
shoulder that forced him to invent new
ways to create his art
after his return for more pippin felt
betrayed by the racial injustices and
inequalities he experienced
the red white and blue color palette of
this work combined with an image from
the days of slavery suggests that it is
pippen’s commentary about the horrific
aspects of america’s past and how it was
still resonating for him and his own
time
in 19 later in 1973 was the year when
maya angelou first came to reynolda and
wake forest she performed her work in
the reception hall
and she spoke to a standing room only
crowd at wake forest during the school’s
first black awareness week
much of her presentation concerned what
it meant to grow up in the south as a
human being with black skin and what
african americans including students
still had to endure her talk went well
into the night as she continued to
engage with students long after her
formal presentation was over
um later she wrote about the experience
in ebony magazine and she wrote i had
pulled no punches and softened no points
yet white stood beside blacks clapping
their hands and smiling i knew that
morning that one day i would return to
the south in general in north carolina
in particular
she returned to wake forest in 1977 to
receive an honorary degree and in 1982
she was named the first reynolds
professor of american studies and she
made her home in winston-salem a land
that was once part of the rinalda estate
so we’re going to jump ahead in 1980 and
a project that was instrumental in our
understanding of ronaldo’s history
particularly in our knowledge of the
lives of the men and women who lived and
worked on the estate
um
so the renault oral history project was
it was actually partially funded by rj
reynolds industries as it was known then
um the project was led by luanne jones a
graduate student at in the southern oral
history program at unc luanne noted at
the time that most of the reynolds
family was interpreted through the story
of z smith reynolds death and that there
was a lot of misstatement of fact
in fact one of several books written
about libby holman was actually
published months before luanne started
conducting her interviews
she thought that people seemed to think
that the key to unlocking the history of
the reynolds family was the smith story
but she didn’t think that was the case
she was much more interested in
katherine reynolds so while i’m going to
focus on what this project learned about
the black community today these
interviews also help shape how we
understand catherine reynolds as well
in talking about the project luanne
jones said
mainly we were trying to get at what
life was like at ronaldo for the many
people whose lives intersected there
from the woman who was laundress to the
woman who was served breakfast in bed we
wanted to look at renaldo from different
points of view
so as the project progressed the
priorities of it actually shifted a
little little because it became clear to
them that the interviews could add a
significant contribution to the
understanding of the history of
african-americans in winston-salem um
the interviews detailed experiences at
ronaldo but they also dwell on what it
meant to be black in the jim crow south
um the picture um you see up on your
screen right now is luanne jones
interviewing harvey miller
who um
he grew up in i’ll talk more about him
in a minute but he grew up in five row
and became the butler for the babcock
family and he
continued to be employed by ronaldo when
it was turned into a museum
she’s interviewing him here on the sun
porch and you can tell it was a
different time because you could sit on
the furniture then
so it was through this oral history
project that the story of the lives of
the black men and women who worked here
really come to life particularly the
story of five row
five row doesn’t appear in the written
documents in the archives at all
it’s shown on the map of the estate that
was done in
1924 and corrected in 1927 which you see
on your screen right now but it’s not
labeled as fibro it’s identified as
colored cottages with no information
about the people who lived there and the
lives they led
their names do appear on the payroll
ledgers but without this oral history
project the idea that fiverr became a
community of shared experiences and not
just a cluster of cottages would have
been lost to history
so fivro gets his name because it
originally consisted of two rows of five
houses with a larger boarding house for
multiple families and a two building
that served as a school and church
and it’s through this project that we
began to understand how ronaldo worked
as an estate during the time of jim crow
jim crow laws touched every aspect of
life from jobs to education to health
care
um
you know in in practice jim crow was
really the legitimization of anti-black
racism and ronaldo was not exempt from
that
um it’s really impossible to talk about
ronaldo’s history without the context of
jim crow particularly what was happening
in winston-salem at the time
large-scale disenfranchisement began
happening in the 1892 and 1894 elections
this followed the 1890 election in which
the newly formed colored man’s ticket
defeated all the white democrats which
interestingly included rj reynolds who
was up for
re-election as city commissioner that
year
then in 1912 with salem enacted a
residential segregation ordinance
modeled after the one in richmond and
1912 is the same year that construction
begins at ronaldo
so ronaldo was technically outside of
winston-salem city limits and therefore
not subject to municipal laws but that
didn’t mean that renault was exempt from
jim crow there may not have been a law
in place to force segregation at renata
but jim crow created such a pervasive
racialized culture that affected all
spaces and places we see evidence of
this at renault through separate housing
separate schools and one good example is
how
fiverr was created as a separate not
always equal community
for the oral history project luanne
jones said she wanted to learn about the
laundress to the woman who served
breakfast in bed um flora pledger was
one of the women who at times worked in
the laundry at rinalda through her
interview we learned that ronaldo did
pay good wages
better than what farm workers and tenant
farmers could earn elsewhere ellis
pledger her husband traveled 20 miles a
day to make nine dollars a week and that
was three times the pay he had been he
had been earning
in 1916 he moved to five row with flora
who described their new home as the best
place i’d ever seen
um catherine reynolds increased wages
for regularity and she gave generous
christmas bonus bonuses and in some
years included cash for the average farm
worker wages began at 7.50 a week and
then went up to 18 a week by 1940.
early jobs for black farm workers
included draining ditches in the
construction of lake catherine this
involved the stones to be used for the
lake bridge involves the overflow on the
renault roadside of the lake became the
community pool
used by black and white workers and
according to several oral histories this
space was also used for baptism by the
five row church
other early jobs for black workers were
clearing the land and laying the
foundations for the first buildings you
can catch a few workers in this picture
putting up the superintendent’s cottage
after structure was completed black
workers tended to livestock planted and
harvested crops and generally helped
maintain the property
workers received their job for the day
and their pay at the watering shed which
was located in centrally in the village
many of them worked as teamsters working
with a mule or horse
team pulling a plow
they also drove drove mule teams to
clear roads and spaces to build and
improve on the estate um and this work
of greeting the land with mule teams
actually continued on into the 30s
the indoor pool at ronaldo was an
addition added by the babcock family in
1935 1936 and we have photographs of
men working that area with the with a
mule team while the pool was under
construction
in addition to driving a team workers
would upkeep the roads do landscaping
mow the grass and on saturdays all men
swept and raped around the lake
workers jobs included hauling coal to
the heating plant the rock quarry and
the blacksmith shop and other
miscellaneous jobs included driving the
bus to transport workers and the night
watchmen
so unlike houses in renaldo village
those in five roads did not have
electricity or running water
the houses were aboard construction
while most of the residences in the
village were made from stucco
families made do with kerosene lamps and
coal heaters water was drawn from
several taps of artesian well water if
you were lucky you live close enough to
the water tap for the hose to reach your
house
residents raised their own livestock
poultry hogs and milk cows and ronaldo
farm provided milk and vegetables at
wholesale prices
we don’t have many pictures of five row
but you can get a glimpse of some of the
houses and the background like on the
photographs you see right now
um so on on one hand this way of living
would have been viewed as normal for
farm workers living in the country
however it becomes unequal when you look
at the context of catherine getting what
is now ronaldo road paved one of the
first ones in the state
she worked with the electric company to
get electricity all the way out here um
and could have provided it to fivero but
chose not to
many of the oral history interviews talk
about the school at five row
education was provided for the children
and the families who worked at reynolda
there was the ronaldo school for white
children that even the reynolds children
attended
but there was a separate school at fibro
and it was housed in this building that
also served as a church
the school opened in 1918 with six
students classes were held in the
two-room building
that you see on your screen
they had the same curriculum as the
renault school history geography
spelling grammar painting drawing music
and math we’re taught one student
recalled learning about aviation
teachers at the fiverr school were
educated at hampton university bennett
college and slater academy
attendance continued to grow some black
families in town actually sent their
children out to the fiber schools as
they deemed it better
than the public schools for black
children the ronaldo school closed in
1923 but the school at five row actually
operated another 20 years closing
sometime in the 1940s
we learned a lot about the domestic
staff that worked in the house in these
interviews as well
as many of the people interviewed worked
in the house for the babcock family
often when you think about domestic
staff you think of live-in staff but
that was rarely the case in the south
during this time period and at rinalda
the only domestic staff members who
lived in the house were the governess
and nurses most of the domestic staff
lived downtown and traveled from the
city to reynaldo and back taking a
street car for a nickel to the downtown
post office and then a bus that
catherine provided out to ronaldo
and the bus is an interesting
piece about from the oral history
project that like even the oral history
project didn’t answer all of the
questions when did it start how long did
it last who could use it
um did employees have to pay the fare
was that part of their employment i did
discover recently that the fares for the
teachers at the five row school were
paid for by ronaldo but it’s unclear if
that was the case for the domestic staff
as well
so we saw earlier that picture of luanne
jones interviewing heart harvey miller
um his interview all total is about
eight hours long um
harvey miller grew up in five row after
his parents henry and mamie miller came
to ronaldo in 1922.
his father worked on the farm and was
one of the mule teamsters harvey started
out doing odd jobs in the estate and
eventually trained under john carter who
was catherine’s butler to become the
butler for the babcocks he would work
here at ronaldo and would travel with
the family when they were living in
connecticut and then he would continue
to work at ronaldo after it became a
museum and he retired in 1982
so harvey is an example of
multi-generational tenures that happened
at ronaldo
and this was a bit
unusual for the time period particularly
for people who were in domestic service
the typical time for most domestics to
work at one place was three to six
months so having someone like harvey who
grew up here and then worked his entire
career here was unusual
so when harvey was interviewed he talked
a lot about his job and he said i didn’t
work by the hour you’d start and stop
you had a starting point but not too
much of a getting off point i was here
all the time i’d come here in the
morning at 8 o’clock 7 30 or 8 and would
stay until everything was finished
but harvey you made the point that being
the employee of such an established and
well-regarded winston-salem family
actually softened race relations when
dealing with other white people in
western salem
the specif specific example he used was
that white store owners were far more
willing to extend him credit than to
other black men because he was known to
work for the reynolds family
elizabeth wade was a another staff
member who was interviewed
she started off at the laundry and then
worked as a maid and catherine reynolds
was so impressed with her work
that she had her take over the role of
switchboard operator
elizabeth wade actually quit ronaldo to
raise her own family
uh after she got married but she later
came back to work as a government
governess for dick reynolds r.j and
catherine’s oldest son
and her interview
elizabeth wade talks a lot about being
white passing and what that meant for
that time period
she describes having to ride on a jim
crow car
jim crow train car and how awful and hot
it was and
when she changed trains she decided to
pass and ride the rest of the way on the
white car
she also shared how she was asked to
pass by dick reynolds while she was
working for him that when they
traveled they would go to places that
she couldn’t as a black woman even
though she was with the kids like um
the example she gave like was on the
plane or when they were at the beach in
miami and dick reynolds would tell her
and so this was her quote you’re not
black now you’re white
so elizabeth wade didn’t get into
how this made her feel this having to
deny a piece of your identity but it
clearly made an impact that she was
talking about it you know two decades
after it happened
so when um these former staff members
were interviewed they were all asked
about the civil rights movement and
particularly how the babcock family felt
about the civil rights
era with harvey in particular that was
an interesting question to ask because
he was someone who was still employed at
rinalda he was working for the museum
and i’m sure there was a sense that the
reynolds family was still kind of his
boss i mean he me his interview even
took place at reynolda
no one answered the question directly
which isn’t surprise surprise and they
all sort of deflected and answered
around it
um but harvey answered the question by
saying uh she meaning mary
reynolds babcock didn’t say my servants
it was her staff they didn’t tell you to
do so and so they asked you and said
thank you they had respect for us and we
had respect for them i’ll put it that
way
so in his interview he returns a lot to
this idea of mutual respect and another
quote he said i won’t say it was love
but it was respect
and you hear echoes of that sentiment
and many of the other interviews as well
so around 1960 and you can see fibro in
this image um it’s the cluster of houses
in the upper left corner
so fiber lasted until around 1960 when
it was demolished for the building of
silas creek parkway during a push for
urban renewal
there was a time in which various levels
of white majority governments
raised traditionally black neighborhoods
and replaced them with new roads and
highways beneath a veneer of progress
some current residents the five road
chose to purchase their home and use the
materials to help build their new houses
in her interview flora pledger talked
about successfully petitioning charlie
babcock to pay for the relocation of the
church building
so while the renault oral history
project gave us the stories of the
people of five row
many of whom actually lived here longer
and were a more
constant presence at ronaldo than
members of the royals family but it
would be more than a decade later before
we could add faces to many of these
names and stories
um gg parent who’s pictured here on the
left
went gathering stories and photographs
in the community she with the help of
saki hamlin to flesh out the story of
the five
row community and she curated an exhibit
um called the spirit of renaldo black
contributions to renaldo 1912 to 1962.
um it opened in 1993
so she went in to the community to talk
to
former fiverr residents who were still
alive or their descendants she learned
more names she gathered more stories and
most importantly she collected this
visual evidence
she talks about going and asking these
families for photographs and at first
they would give her pictures of the
reynolds family and she would be like no
no
i want pictures of you
and so many of them told her that that
was the first time anyone had asked them
for that
when the exhibit opened at ronald it was
displayed on the sun porch it was the
largest opening for an exhibit at that
time and it really spoke to
how vibrant the five row community still
was and how important it was to continue
to tell these stories
all right so we’re gonna um shift back
to the art world in 1981.
so in march 1981 a contemporary american
arts seminar combined the talents of
artist jacob lawrence
author and poet maya angelou and
musicians antoinette handy and william e
terry
the seminar marked the opening of a
month-long exhibition of paintings by
lawrence whose builders number two was
on permanent loan to ronaldo house
nine other paintings including six from
lawrence’s private collection provided a
sampling of lawrence’s development from
1942 to 1979.
lawrence is pictured here in front of
some of his works on display
beside him is his wife gwendolyn knight
an artist in her own right who he
credits as his third eye giving him an
objective opinion of his work
so the three-day seminar featured a
reading of the ronaldo house collection
by jacob lawrence a lecture of his work
in two separate studio sessions one for
local artists and one for the general
public
and there was a lecture and
demonstration on the history of jazz and
an evening with maya angelou at this
point in her career
she had published three collections of
poetry and three volumes of her
autobiography she would actually come
back to renato later this same year for
a reading of the fourth volume heart of
a woman
as part of the seminar maya angelou and
jacob lawrence shared a public
conversation between artists
they knew each other prior and speaking
in the event jacob lawrence said i don’t
know what form that would take when
you’re dealing with a person who deals
with words you don’t do the same things
my medium is a visual one but knowing
her i know the conversation won’t be
dull
like with a black art seminar nearly a
decade earlier they spoke of the
challenges of being black in america
what it meant to be a black artist and
the power of protest
lawrence spoke about black artists
feeling an obligation to the black
community and he said if they are
sensitive to this then their expression
moves out beyond the black consciousness
and benefits everybody angelo some that
summed it up by saying start at home and
spread it abroad
they both spoke about the pressures they
felt as artists to have their art speak
for the black community
jacob lawrence worried that some of the
scenes and imagery he used in his work
would speak to the black community but
could be read as stereotypes outside of
it
um maya angelou sort of expounded on
that to say that
i am sometimes criticized for writing a
poem about a leaf when the whole forest
is on fire sometimes i say to hell with
it and go on but she says she often sees
young people on a one-way train to
nowhere
and that she can’t ignore the
responsibility she feels to let her art
speak for them
she said if things were different in
this yet to be united states i would be
free to talk about a sunrise without
saying that it is rising on a noose
hanging high and casting a shadow on the
land
um she ended on a more
positive note
when she spoke of her production of a
raise and raisin in the sun and she said
we have changed in 20 years we have
risked more
we now see the black man and black woman
as human beings in process we are all in
process
so these um artists conversations really
just continued into 1982
when ramir bearden came to rinalda he
came in october of 1982 and renata
featured an exhibit of paintings by
bearden um
he pleased standing room only audiences
with anecdotes about the harlem
renaissance and his years in paris
he was unpretentious about his success
and penetrating in his insights about
art
the french have a saying he said if you
fill life it’s a tragedy if you think
about it it’s comedy
the art of painting has no place for
tears
like the visit by lawrence this program
with bearden also featured a
conversation with maya angelou
and unlike with the talk with lawrence
this one was recorded so we have this
artifact the event that lives on
the video quality is terrible but you
know we still have their words and they
talk about how their art speaks the
human condition
that they deal with the complexities of
life not just the black experience
i’m gonna see if i can
share
this video hopefully it will work
hopefully y’all can hear this
because
and some of the others that you would
call them leaving
and since you do not make that
discrimination just call me in the
mirror
well
i write through the back experience
i
all right
so i’m hearing we’re not able to hear
this and my volume is turned all the way
up so
barry
when you
hit share screen did you enable
audio
yeah i see that now
okay so you might try that or you can
just
summarize for us whatever most
convenient
let’s try this one more time
i’m going to remind you just a bit
all the black communities
and
i don’t
mind at all
being called a black artist
if
when pearlstein
and some of the others that you would
call them leading white artists
and since you do not make that
discrimination
just call me an american
well
i write through the black experience
again because that’s what i know
and i
believe it is better for any artist
to
use the materials with which he or she
is most familiar
i’m always talking about the human
condition what it is like to be a human
being
what makes us weak what makes us laugh
what doesn’t
how we sometimes make it over
um
i too feel if i’m described as a black
artist i am black and i am
a poet
uh if i’m described as a
woman artist i am a woman and i am
a writer
and
those two phrases however do not
completely contain me
i am other than
a black woman artist
i am
an american i’m a human being
i’m a mother i’m somebody’s lover i’m a
good friend and a sister and a daughter
and i’m tall and having if one is going
to say why not
maya angelou is a tall writer
all right so hopefully you could hear
some of that but um they were both
talking about how they felt being
described as
a black artist and
maya angelou said that you know she was
more than a black woman artist those two
words couldn’t contain her
but she went on to say that
she still felt if she was part
of any community it was the black
community that’s the community she felt
most connected to
they both talked about their experiences
in harlem and how freeing it was to
create art in a black community
maya angelou described first going to
harlem and she said i couldn’t believe
there were that many black people in the
world it was a kind of affirmation that
it was all right to be black i dared a
lot it gave me the right to be bodacious
and i brought it back to winston-salem
i’m going to
end here um with an excerpt from maya
angelou’s poem still i rise published in
1978 and this was the inspiration for
the exhibit title
i hope to share more of these stories
with you next year when the exhibit
opening opens
and we can open this up to any questions
now
thanks for attending today
i see one question here
um from that says can you describe more
specifically where five row was located
and
explain its name
so five row was was located the best way
i can describe it is it was located um
where silas creek parkway is now leading
into
the university
um it was scary yes we can we can see
your presenter notes which isn’t a big
deal but
um yeah i can i’ll just stop sharing
because i’m done thank you
all right
um and five row um also can you explain
its name so fibro got its name because
it was originally
um two rows of five houses that’s where
the name came from five row
and
barry can you talk a little bit about i
understand reynolda applied for a grant
not too long ago to have some of these
resources
digitized and sharpened
like that
video clip can you talk about what it
would mean to reynolda
to have that accomplished
yeah so we um recently applied for a
grant to have some of our audio visual
material including like the video i
shared today
um
redone digitized a lot of them are on
the original vhs tapes
um over the years you know they’ve been
used they haven’t always been stored in
the best capabilities and they need to
be professionally digitized so that we
can share them
through programs like this um the maya
angelou mayor bearded one in particular
was digitized a number of years ago
um but we think now technologies have
changed and they may be able to
clean the video quality up a little bit
improve the audio
um maybe brighten it up so it doesn’t
look like they’re in the witness
protection program so that we can
continue continue to share
these programs that happen in the past
to current
museum audience
okay so we’re getting a question of
where did the five row church end up um
it ended up i can’t describe the area
where it ended up and it did end up
being
completely covered and re-built to the
point that it was not recognizable as
the five-row church and in recent years
it’s been completely destroyed so it’s
not there any longer
so do you have a list of the artists and
art that will be part of the exhibit
will there also be contemporary artists
represented so i haven’t finalized the
object list quite yet for the
um exhibition
there will be romero bearden in there
for sure um
i’m not sure which one yet and we just
had a recent acquisition of a bearden
but it’s primarily going to be
an archival show so
most of the sources in there are going
to be a photograph
you
so good afternoon everyone
i’m allison perkins executive director
at reynolda house and i’m delighted to
welcome all of you
so although
still i rise the black experience at
reynolda
exhibition does not open until 2022
we were very much inspired by the
bookmarks book with purpose initiative
that we designed this preview so if you
aren’t familiar with books with purpose
i’ll just briefly explain that it’s a
community-wide anti-racism initiative
grounded in american literature and
shared dialogue
and i want to give a special thanks to
bookmark for making this education
educational partnership a reality for
our community
so give me great pleasure and an honor
to introduce today’s presenter barry
helms barry is director of archives and
the library at reynolda
she earned her ba in history from duke
university
and a masters in library and information
science from unc chapel hill
so prior to her 2014 arrival at reynolda
she was a local records archivist at the
library of virginia in richmond
and at reynolda berry has helped develop
the reynolda revealed app which i hope
many of you have downloaded
and she’s curated exhibitions including
catherine smith reynolds johnston
a self in the remaking
i really like that
a very popular archival exhibition still
i rise the black experience at reynolda
is grounded in primary resources
including correspondence and oral
histories
more than reynolda as a private family
home today’s talk will explore
the site’s history as an american art
museum and one chapter in the museum’s
history that i’m particularly interested
in learning more about
is the contributions of visiting artists
to the museum so without further ado i
bring you barry helms barry thanks so
much for your
many contributions to reynolda and for
the research that you’re embarking on
for this really special exhibition and
thanks again to bookmarks and everyone
in our audience for joining us very
thank you
thank you allison and thank you everyone
for joining me today for a preview of
the next archival exhibit
um still i rise the black experience
will open next year and it will examine
the many ways that black men and women
have intersected with ronaldo from the
tobacco plantation where r.j reynolds
grew up
through ronaldo as a working estate and
family home during the jim crow era
through the civil rights era until
renata became a public institution
dedicated to the arts
um that is a vast story to parse down
for a preview talk today
i struggled with how to organize this so
that you’re getting
as close to a full experience of the
exhibit as possible
i decided to approach this from the
perspective of the museum era and so
today i’m going to talk about the events
and programs that were happening that
shaped the evolution of the museum and
what projects were happening that helped
us know what we know about reynaldo’s
past
um i created a timeline of the events
and projects that inform this exhibit
and particularly this talk today
and so we’re going to be talking about
what was happening at the museum
particularly in the 70s and 80s and we
will sort of hop from topic to topic so
it’ll be a little bumpy ride but just
stick with it
um so this way you’re going to get the
highlights of some of these significant
moments in the exhibition
so renault open to the public as an
institution dedicated to the arts and
education in 1965
and then as an art museum in 1967
but i’m going to start today in 1970
so 1970 was the year that the museum
named its first executive director
nicholas b bragg he had been at
old salem and he was hired to really
start the education program at rinalda
and that education program was what
ronaldo was known for for a number of
years even when renata first got
accredited by the american association
of museums in 1972 they noted that
renaldo didn’t really operate like a
traditional museum at the time but they
had an incredibly strong educational
program in place
but why i want to talk about 1970 is
the opening of the reynolds homestead in
kreitz virginia that seems like
yes barry this is amber albert sorry to
interrupt um we’ve had quite a few
people um have trouble with the link it
is going to the calendar instead of the
uh webinar so i have resent
uh
the link to everyone and just want to
see um
give it just a couple minutes for folks
to catch up
okay if you if you’re comfortable doing
that sure
yes see we’ve already sort of doubled
our attendance so just maybe two more
minutes
sure
and i apologize everyone i’m not sure
how that
transpired
okay i’ll just back this up a little bit
all right
all right so i will go ahead and um
restart a little bit for folks who are
just now joining us
um so
today to preview this exhibition still i
rise i’m going to focus in on events and
programs that
um
informed how the museum evolved and also
the projects that were happening that
helped us learn what we know about
ronaldo’s past
so renaldo opened as a
institution opened to the public as an
institution dedicated to the arts and
education in 1965 and then as an art
museum in 1967 but i’m going to start
today in 1970
uh 1970 was the year that the museum
named its first executive director
nicholas b bragg
he had been at old salem and he was
hired to really start the education
program at rinalda and
ronaldo was known for a number of years
for the strength of its educational
programming
but what happened in 1970 that i really
want to talk about
is um
the opening of the reynolds homestead in
christ virginia which seems like a
strange place to start
um but the reynolds homestead was
actually rock spring plantation where rj
was born and where he grew up
it had stayed in family hands and then
nancy reynolds rj and catherine’s
younger daughter acquired it and she was
like what do i do with this now
she ended up deeding the house and
surrounding acres to virginia tech and
it was and still is used as a community
engagement center and a forestry
research center
where it connects to ronaldo
is that
nancy had developed a relationship with
nick bragg
through renaldo and she turned to him
for advice in turning the property into
a museum and for a few years renata
staff actually ran the educational
programs at the reynolds homestead
but what’s relevant to this exhibition
is that while they were renovating the
home they found a box of documents that
had belonged to rj’s father hardin
william reynolds
this box is still on display at the
museum and you can it’s not a great
picture but um you can see in the box
there’s this fabric
filing system that he used to organize
his papers but all the documents
actually came to ronaldo and our inner
archives today
and those papers really helped fill out
rj’s history and the truth of what his
background and early years were really
like
so during his lifetime rj reynolds
really relied heavily himself on this
myth that he was a self-made man who
came from almost nothing to become this
industrial titan and tobacco
and his legacy today sometimes still
depends on that myth making
even the choice to name the museum of
christ the reynolds homestead instead of
what it was known during rj’s time which
was rock spring plantation
as to the idea that rj came from humble
beginnings it’s just interesting that
even in 1970 they knew that the term
homestead had different connotations
than plantation
unlike
other farmers in the region rj’s father
recognized that manufacturing tobacco
was more lucrative than growing the leaf
alone by the time rj was born in 1850
the tobacco factory was harden’s primary
source of income
rj grew up as a boy and young man
working the floor of his father’s
tobacco factory he learned the mechanics
of the factory the value of one
flavoring over another the factors that
led to the fluctuations of tobacco
prices and how to select the choices
leaf
in later life rj would use the story of
working as a hand in his father’s
factory to ingratiate himself with his
own workers and while that story was
technically true
he did so as the slaveholder’s son
so hardened reynolds was one of the
largest slave holders in his area of
virginia
by the time of the civil war he owned
more than 60 enslaved persons
i mentioned that the reynolds homestead
still operating as a museum and in
recent years they have done tremendous
research in documenting the history of
enslaved people on the property and
documenting the
slave graveyard that is that is still
there
but as part of hardin’s papers that came
to rinalda there are several bills of
sale for enslaved people the example i
have up here today on the left
is one for the hiring out of a man named
frank for the year 1860.
hardin’s tobacco plantation survived the
civil war and transitioned to using
black tenant labor or sharecroppers
hardin paid very little he drew up harsh
contracts and would often not fulfill
his agreement
in one instance during reconstruction
the freedman’s bureau stepped in to
advocate on behalf of a woman who
claimed that harden did not pay her and
also threatened to drive her from the
property
and there are other instances in the
late 1860s where tenant farmers were
suing hardened to receive what they or
their families were owed for their work
so rj grew up in the slave holding
economy and later sharecropping and it’s
interesting to think about how that
influenced how rj treated his own
workers
we certainly see the idea of
fraternalism play out and how rj
consistently gave small amounts of money
to social institutions reform
associations hospitals schools and
churches particularly those in the black
community
his strategy certainly suggests that he
understood how industries could function
as social institutions
rj’s giving was local and peace meal but
it proved to be a strategic way to
foster a social stability that would
help stabilize his workforce and prevent
workers from heading north to find
better paying jobs and his strategy
worked we don’t see a serious attempt by
tobacco workers to to unionize until
1919 which was the year after rj’s death
so we’re going to
switch gears a little and skip to 1972
and 1973.
in 1972 is when ronaldo received its
first accreditation from the american
association of museums there was a black
art seminar and exhibit in 1973 ronaldo
received its first painting by a black
artist and maya angelou made her first
of many visits to ronaldo
so in
1972 then executive director nicholas
bragg received a phone call from a
museum goer asking how
ronaldo could presume to present
american art when there were no black
artists represented in the collection
so out of that conversation
came a seminar on black art and and an
exhibition of paintings
so at the seminar participants discussed
the challenges of being black and an
artist how that affected their work
the struggle to make a living as an
artist and they even grappled with you
know what was black art how did they
define that
um
this was the first of several instances
where black artists came together at
ronaldo to discuss their work even 10
years from this point we will see the
same topics being discussed by artists
how does being black affect your art
there’s this constant theme of the
pressures they felt to represent in a
community and to have their art speak
not only for themselves but for the
black community as a whole here muralist
eugene wade said i no longer attempt to
represent all black artists and doing
what is significant to me
so nick brad gave an interview about the
black art seminar and at the end of the
end of the interview he spoke about
being excited that the event prompted
the first gift of a work by a black
artist to be added to ronaldo’s
permanent collection
in the interview he actually named jacob
lawrence’s builders number two as the
work that was coming to ronaldo but it
would actually be a few years before
that piece was added to the collection
horace pippen’s 1941 work the whipping
was actually the first acquisition by an
african-american artist and it is still
the earliest work in the collection by a
black artist
it was a gift to the museum by lee alt a
major figure in the new york art world
he gave the painting to the museum after
barbara babcock milhouse the museum’s
first president had admired the painting
in his apartment
the whipping is a small piece that
addresses racial injustice in 19th and
20th 20th century america
horace pippen served during world war
one and sustained an injury to his right
shoulder that forced him to invent new
ways to create his art
after his return for more pippin felt
betrayed by the racial injustices and
inequalities he experienced
the red white and blue color palette of
this work combined with an image from
the days of slavery suggests that it is
pippen’s commentary about the horrific
aspects of america’s past and how it was
still resonating for him and his own
time
in 19 later in 1973 was the year when
maya angelou first came to reynolda and
wake forest she performed her work in
the reception hall
and she spoke to a standing room only
crowd at wake forest during the school’s
first black awareness week
much of her presentation concerned what
it meant to grow up in the south as a
human being with black skin and what
african americans including students
still had to endure her talk went well
into the night as she continued to
engage with students long after her
formal presentation was over
um later she wrote about the experience
in ebony magazine and she wrote i had
pulled no punches and softened no points
yet white stood beside blacks clapping
their hands and smiling i knew that
morning that one day i would return to
the south in general in north carolina
in particular
she returned to wake forest in 1977 to
receive an honorary degree and in 1982
she was named the first reynolds
professor of american studies and she
made her home in winston-salem a land
that was once part of the rinalda estate
so we’re going to jump ahead in 1980 and
a project that was instrumental in our
understanding of ronaldo’s history
particularly in our knowledge of the
lives of the men and women who lived and
worked on the estate
um
so the renault oral history project was
it was actually partially funded by rj
reynolds industries as it was known then
um the project was led by luanne jones a
graduate student at in the southern oral
history program at unc luanne noted at
the time that most of the reynolds
family was interpreted through the story
of z smith reynolds death and that there
was a lot of misstatement of fact
in fact one of several books written
about libby holman was actually
published months before luanne started
conducting her interviews
she thought that people seemed to think
that the key to unlocking the history of
the reynolds family was the smith story
but she didn’t think that was the case
she was much more interested in
katherine reynolds so while i’m going to
focus on what this project learned about
the black community today these
interviews also help shape how we
understand catherine reynolds as well
in talking about the project luanne
jones said
mainly we were trying to get at what
life was like at ronaldo for the many
people whose lives intersected there
from the woman who was laundress to the
woman who was served breakfast in bed we
wanted to look at renaldo from different
points of view
so as the project progressed the
priorities of it actually shifted a
little little because it became clear to
them that the interviews could add a
significant contribution to the
understanding of the history of
african-americans in winston-salem um
the interviews detailed experiences at
ronaldo but they also dwell on what it
meant to be black in the jim crow south
um the picture um you see up on your
screen right now is luanne jones
interviewing harvey miller
who um
he grew up in i’ll talk more about him
in a minute but he grew up in five row
and became the butler for the babcock
family and he
continued to be employed by ronaldo when
it was turned into a museum
she’s interviewing him here on the sun
porch and you can tell it was a
different time because you could sit on
the furniture then
so it was through this oral history
project that the story of the lives of
the black men and women who worked here
really come to life particularly the
story of five row
five row doesn’t appear in the written
documents in the archives at all
it’s shown on the map of the estate that
was done in
1924 and corrected in 1927 which you see
on your screen right now but it’s not
labeled as fibro it’s identified as
colored cottages with no information
about the people who lived there and the
lives they led
their names do appear on the payroll
ledgers but without this oral history
project the idea that fiverr became a
community of shared experiences and not
just a cluster of cottages would have
been lost to history
so fivro gets his name because it
originally consisted of two rows of five
houses with a larger boarding house for
multiple families and a two building
that served as a school and church
and it’s through this project that we
began to understand how ronaldo worked
as an estate during the time of jim crow
jim crow laws touched every aspect of
life from jobs to education to health
care
um
you know in in practice jim crow was
really the legitimization of anti-black
racism and ronaldo was not exempt from
that
um it’s really impossible to talk about
ronaldo’s history without the context of
jim crow particularly what was happening
in winston-salem at the time
large-scale disenfranchisement began
happening in the 1892 and 1894 elections
this followed the 1890 election in which
the newly formed colored man’s ticket
defeated all the white democrats which
interestingly included rj reynolds who
was up for
re-election as city commissioner that
year
then in 1912 with salem enacted a
residential segregation ordinance
modeled after the one in richmond and
1912 is the same year that construction
begins at ronaldo
so ronaldo was technically outside of
winston-salem city limits and therefore
not subject to municipal laws but that
didn’t mean that renault was exempt from
jim crow there may not have been a law
in place to force segregation at renata
but jim crow created such a pervasive
racialized culture that affected all
spaces and places we see evidence of
this at renault through separate housing
separate schools and one good example is
how
fiverr was created as a separate not
always equal community
for the oral history project luanne
jones said she wanted to learn about the
laundress to the woman who served
breakfast in bed um flora pledger was
one of the women who at times worked in
the laundry at rinalda through her
interview we learned that ronaldo did
pay good wages
better than what farm workers and tenant
farmers could earn elsewhere ellis
pledger her husband traveled 20 miles a
day to make nine dollars a week and that
was three times the pay he had been he
had been earning
in 1916 he moved to five row with flora
who described their new home as the best
place i’d ever seen
um catherine reynolds increased wages
for regularity and she gave generous
christmas bonus bonuses and in some
years included cash for the average farm
worker wages began at 7.50 a week and
then went up to 18 a week by 1940.
early jobs for black farm workers
included draining ditches in the
construction of lake catherine this
involved the stones to be used for the
lake bridge involves the overflow on the
renault roadside of the lake became the
community pool
used by black and white workers and
according to several oral histories this
space was also used for baptism by the
five row church
other early jobs for black workers were
clearing the land and laying the
foundations for the first buildings you
can catch a few workers in this picture
putting up the superintendent’s cottage
after structure was completed black
workers tended to livestock planted and
harvested crops and generally helped
maintain the property
workers received their job for the day
and their pay at the watering shed which
was located in centrally in the village
many of them worked as teamsters working
with a mule or horse
team pulling a plow
they also drove drove mule teams to
clear roads and spaces to build and
improve on the estate um and this work
of greeting the land with mule teams
actually continued on into the 30s
the indoor pool at ronaldo was an
addition added by the babcock family in
1935 1936 and we have photographs of
men working that area with the with a
mule team while the pool was under
construction
in addition to driving a team workers
would upkeep the roads do landscaping
mow the grass and on saturdays all men
swept and raped around the lake
workers jobs included hauling coal to
the heating plant the rock quarry and
the blacksmith shop and other
miscellaneous jobs included driving the
bus to transport workers and the night
watchmen
so unlike houses in renaldo village
those in five roads did not have
electricity or running water
the houses were aboard construction
while most of the residences in the
village were made from stucco
families made do with kerosene lamps and
coal heaters water was drawn from
several taps of artesian well water if
you were lucky you live close enough to
the water tap for the hose to reach your
house
residents raised their own livestock
poultry hogs and milk cows and ronaldo
farm provided milk and vegetables at
wholesale prices
we don’t have many pictures of five row
but you can get a glimpse of some of the
houses and the background like on the
photographs you see right now
um so on on one hand this way of living
would have been viewed as normal for
farm workers living in the country
however it becomes unequal when you look
at the context of catherine getting what
is now ronaldo road paved one of the
first ones in the state
she worked with the electric company to
get electricity all the way out here um
and could have provided it to fivero but
chose not to
many of the oral history interviews talk
about the school at five row
education was provided for the children
and the families who worked at reynolda
there was the ronaldo school for white
children that even the reynolds children
attended
but there was a separate school at fibro
and it was housed in this building that
also served as a church
the school opened in 1918 with six
students classes were held in the
two-room building
that you see on your screen
they had the same curriculum as the
renault school history geography
spelling grammar painting drawing music
and math we’re taught one student
recalled learning about aviation
teachers at the fiverr school were
educated at hampton university bennett
college and slater academy
attendance continued to grow some black
families in town actually sent their
children out to the fiber schools as
they deemed it better
than the public schools for black
children the ronaldo school closed in
1923 but the school at five row actually
operated another 20 years closing
sometime in the 1940s
we learned a lot about the domestic
staff that worked in the house in these
interviews as well
as many of the people interviewed worked
in the house for the babcock family
often when you think about domestic
staff you think of live-in staff but
that was rarely the case in the south
during this time period and at rinalda
the only domestic staff members who
lived in the house were the governess
and nurses most of the domestic staff
lived downtown and traveled from the
city to reynaldo and back taking a
street car for a nickel to the downtown
post office and then a bus that
catherine provided out to ronaldo
and the bus is an interesting
piece about from the oral history
project that like even the oral history
project didn’t answer all of the
questions when did it start how long did
it last who could use it
um did employees have to pay the fare
was that part of their employment i did
discover recently that the fares for the
teachers at the five row school were
paid for by ronaldo but it’s unclear if
that was the case for the domestic staff
as well
so we saw earlier that picture of luanne
jones interviewing heart harvey miller
um his interview all total is about
eight hours long um
harvey miller grew up in five row after
his parents henry and mamie miller came
to ronaldo in 1922.
his father worked on the farm and was
one of the mule teamsters harvey started
out doing odd jobs in the estate and
eventually trained under john carter who
was catherine’s butler to become the
butler for the babcocks he would work
here at ronaldo and would travel with
the family when they were living in
connecticut and then he would continue
to work at ronaldo after it became a
museum and he retired in 1982
so harvey is an example of
multi-generational tenures that happened
at ronaldo
and this was a bit
unusual for the time period particularly
for people who were in domestic service
the typical time for most domestics to
work at one place was three to six
months so having someone like harvey who
grew up here and then worked his entire
career here was unusual
so when harvey was interviewed he talked
a lot about his job and he said i didn’t
work by the hour you’d start and stop
you had a starting point but not too
much of a getting off point i was here
all the time i’d come here in the
morning at 8 o’clock 7 30 or 8 and would
stay until everything was finished
but harvey you made the point that being
the employee of such an established and
well-regarded winston-salem family
actually softened race relations when
dealing with other white people in
western salem
the specif specific example he used was
that white store owners were far more
willing to extend him credit than to
other black men because he was known to
work for the reynolds family
elizabeth wade was a another staff
member who was interviewed
she started off at the laundry and then
worked as a maid and catherine reynolds
was so impressed with her work
that she had her take over the role of
switchboard operator
elizabeth wade actually quit ronaldo to
raise her own family
uh after she got married but she later
came back to work as a government
governess for dick reynolds r.j and
catherine’s oldest son
and her interview
elizabeth wade talks a lot about being
white passing and what that meant for
that time period
she describes having to ride on a jim
crow car
jim crow train car and how awful and hot
it was and
when she changed trains she decided to
pass and ride the rest of the way on the
white car
she also shared how she was asked to
pass by dick reynolds while she was
working for him that when they
traveled they would go to places that
she couldn’t as a black woman even
though she was with the kids like um
the example she gave like was on the
plane or when they were at the beach in
miami and dick reynolds would tell her
and so this was her quote you’re not
black now you’re white
so elizabeth wade didn’t get into
how this made her feel this having to
deny a piece of your identity but it
clearly made an impact that she was
talking about it you know two decades
after it happened
so when um these former staff members
were interviewed they were all asked
about the civil rights movement and
particularly how the babcock family felt
about the civil rights
era with harvey in particular that was
an interesting question to ask because
he was someone who was still employed at
rinalda he was working for the museum
and i’m sure there was a sense that the
reynolds family was still kind of his
boss i mean he me his interview even
took place at reynolda
no one answered the question directly
which isn’t surprise surprise and they
all sort of deflected and answered
around it
um but harvey answered the question by
saying uh she meaning mary
reynolds babcock didn’t say my servants
it was her staff they didn’t tell you to
do so and so they asked you and said
thank you they had respect for us and we
had respect for them i’ll put it that
way
so in his interview he returns a lot to
this idea of mutual respect and another
quote he said i won’t say it was love
but it was respect
and you hear echoes of that sentiment
and many of the other interviews as well
so around 1960 and you can see fibro in
this image um it’s the cluster of houses
in the upper left corner
so fiber lasted until around 1960 when
it was demolished for the building of
silas creek parkway during a push for
urban renewal
there was a time in which various levels
of white majority governments
raised traditionally black neighborhoods
and replaced them with new roads and
highways beneath a veneer of progress
some current residents the five road
chose to purchase their home and use the
materials to help build their new houses
in her interview flora pledger talked
about successfully petitioning charlie
babcock to pay for the relocation of the
church building
so while the renault oral history
project gave us the stories of the
people of five row
many of whom actually lived here longer
and were a more
constant presence at ronaldo than
members of the royals family but it
would be more than a decade later before
we could add faces to many of these
names and stories
um gg parent who’s pictured here on the
left
went gathering stories and photographs
in the community she with the help of
saki hamlin to flesh out the story of
the five
row community and she curated an exhibit
um called the spirit of renaldo black
contributions to renaldo 1912 to 1962.
um it opened in 1993
so she went in to the community to talk
to
former fiverr residents who were still
alive or their descendants she learned
more names she gathered more stories and
most importantly she collected this
visual evidence
she talks about going and asking these
families for photographs and at first
they would give her pictures of the
reynolds family and she would be like no
no
i want pictures of you
and so many of them told her that that
was the first time anyone had asked them
for that
when the exhibit opened at ronald it was
displayed on the sun porch it was the
largest opening for an exhibit at that
time and it really spoke to
how vibrant the five row community still
was and how important it was to continue
to tell these stories
all right so we’re gonna um shift back
to the art world in 1981.
so in march 1981 a contemporary american
arts seminar combined the talents of
artist jacob lawrence
author and poet maya angelou and
musicians antoinette handy and william e
terry
the seminar marked the opening of a
month-long exhibition of paintings by
lawrence whose builders number two was
on permanent loan to ronaldo house
nine other paintings including six from
lawrence’s private collection provided a
sampling of lawrence’s development from
1942 to 1979.
lawrence is pictured here in front of
some of his works on display
beside him is his wife gwendolyn knight
an artist in her own right who he
credits as his third eye giving him an
objective opinion of his work
so the three-day seminar featured a
reading of the ronaldo house collection
by jacob lawrence a lecture of his work
in two separate studio sessions one for
local artists and one for the general
public
and there was a lecture and
demonstration on the history of jazz and
an evening with maya angelou at this
point in her career
she had published three collections of
poetry and three volumes of her
autobiography she would actually come
back to renato later this same year for
a reading of the fourth volume heart of
a woman
as part of the seminar maya angelou and
jacob lawrence shared a public
conversation between artists
they knew each other prior and speaking
in the event jacob lawrence said i don’t
know what form that would take when
you’re dealing with a person who deals
with words you don’t do the same things
my medium is a visual one but knowing
her i know the conversation won’t be
dull
like with a black art seminar nearly a
decade earlier they spoke of the
challenges of being black in america
what it meant to be a black artist and
the power of protest
lawrence spoke about black artists
feeling an obligation to the black
community and he said if they are
sensitive to this then their expression
moves out beyond the black consciousness
and benefits everybody angelo some that
summed it up by saying start at home and
spread it abroad
they both spoke about the pressures they
felt as artists to have their art speak
for the black community
jacob lawrence worried that some of the
scenes and imagery he used in his work
would speak to the black community but
could be read as stereotypes outside of
it
um maya angelou sort of expounded on
that to say that
i am sometimes criticized for writing a
poem about a leaf when the whole forest
is on fire sometimes i say to hell with
it and go on but she says she often sees
young people on a one-way train to
nowhere
and that she can’t ignore the
responsibility she feels to let her art
speak for them
she said if things were different in
this yet to be united states i would be
free to talk about a sunrise without
saying that it is rising on a noose
hanging high and casting a shadow on the
land
um she ended on a more
positive note
when she spoke of her production of a
raise and raisin in the sun and she said
we have changed in 20 years we have
risked more
we now see the black man and black woman
as human beings in process we are all in
process
so these um artists conversations really
just continued into 1982
when ramir bearden came to rinalda he
came in october of 1982 and renata
featured an exhibit of paintings by
bearden um
he pleased standing room only audiences
with anecdotes about the harlem
renaissance and his years in paris
he was unpretentious about his success
and penetrating in his insights about
art
the french have a saying he said if you
fill life it’s a tragedy if you think
about it it’s comedy
the art of painting has no place for
tears
like the visit by lawrence this program
with bearden also featured a
conversation with maya angelou
and unlike with the talk with lawrence
this one was recorded so we have this
artifact the event that lives on
the video quality is terrible but you
know we still have their words and they
talk about how their art speaks the
human condition
that they deal with the complexities of
life not just the black experience
i’m gonna see if i can
share
this video hopefully it will work
hopefully y’all can hear this
because
and some of the others that you would
call them leaving
and since you do not make that
discrimination just call me in the
mirror
well
i write through the back experience
i
all right
so i’m hearing we’re not able to hear
this and my volume is turned all the way
up so
barry
when you
hit share screen did you enable
audio
yeah i see that now
okay so you might try that or you can
just
summarize for us whatever most
convenient
let’s try this one more time
i’m going to remind you just a bit
all the black communities
and
i don’t
mind at all
being called a black artist
if
when pearlstein
and some of the others that you would
call them leading white artists
and since you do not make that
discrimination
just call me an american
well
i write through the black experience
again because that’s what i know
and i
believe it is better for any artist
to
use the materials with which he or she
is most familiar
i’m always talking about the human
condition what it is like to be a human
being
what makes us weak what makes us laugh
what doesn’t
how we sometimes make it over
um
i too feel if i’m described as a black
artist i am black and i am
a poet
uh if i’m described as a
woman artist i am a woman and i am
a writer
and
those two phrases however do not
completely contain me
i am other than
a black woman artist
i am
an american i’m a human being
i’m a mother i’m somebody’s lover i’m a
good friend and a sister and a daughter
and i’m tall and having if one is going
to say why not
maya angelou is a tall writer
all right so hopefully you could hear
some of that but um they were both
talking about how they felt being
described as
a black artist and
maya angelou said that you know she was
more than a black woman artist those two
words couldn’t contain her
but she went on to say that
she still felt if she was part
of any community it was the black
community that’s the community she felt
most connected to
they both talked about their experiences
in harlem and how freeing it was to
create art in a black community
maya angelou described first going to
harlem and she said i couldn’t believe
there were that many black people in the
world it was a kind of affirmation that
it was all right to be black i dared a
lot it gave me the right to be bodacious
and i brought it back to winston-salem
i’m going to
end here um with an excerpt from maya
angelou’s poem still i rise published in
1978 and this was the inspiration for
the exhibit title
i hope to share more of these stories
with you next year when the exhibit
opening opens
and we can open this up to any questions
now
thanks for attending today
i see one question here
um from that says can you describe more
specifically where five row was located
and
explain its name
so five row was was located the best way
i can describe it is it was located um
where silas creek parkway is now leading
into
the university
um it was scary yes we can we can see
your presenter notes which isn’t a big
deal but
um yeah i can i’ll just stop sharing
because i’m done thank you
all right
um and five row um also can you explain
its name so fibro got its name because
it was originally
um two rows of five houses that’s where
the name came from five row
and
barry can you talk a little bit about i
understand reynolda applied for a grant
not too long ago to have some of these
resources
digitized and sharpened
like that
video clip can you talk about what it
would mean to reynolda
to have that accomplished
yeah so we um recently applied for a
grant to have some of our audio visual
material including like the video i
shared today
um
redone digitized a lot of them are on
the original vhs tapes
um over the years you know they’ve been
used they haven’t always been stored in
the best capabilities and they need to
be professionally digitized so that we
can share them
through programs like this um the maya
angelou mayor bearded one in particular
was digitized a number of years ago
um but we think now technologies have
changed and they may be able to
clean the video quality up a little bit
improve the audio
um maybe brighten it up so it doesn’t
look like they’re in the witness
protection program so that we can
continue continue to share
these programs that happen in the past
to current
museum audience
okay so we’re getting a question of
where did the five row church end up um
it ended up i can’t describe the area
where it ended up and it did end up
being
completely covered and re-built to the
point that it was not recognizable as
the five-row church and in recent years
it’s been completely destroyed so it’s
not there any longer
so do you have a list of the artists and
art that will be part of the exhibit
will there also be contemporary artists
represented so i haven’t finalized the
object list quite yet for the
um exhibition
there will be romero bearden in there
for sure um
i’m not sure which one yet and we just
had a recent acquisition of a bearden
but it’s primarily going to be
an archival show so
most of the sources in there are going
to be a photograph
you